From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Wed Jun 4 11:33:19 1997 From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:33:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: CSR/vector calculator for the archives (fwd) Message-ID: <199706040133.LAA00384@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> ----- Forwarded message from Tom I Helbekkmo ----- To: wkt at csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) From: Tom I Helbekkmo Subject: CSR/vector calculator for the archives Hi, Warren! I've written a CSR and vector calculator, based on VMS documentation and comparison tested against VMS SYSGEN. For want of a better name, I'm simply calling the program 'sysgen' -- this shows its heritage, at least... :-) This should be useful to PDP (and VAX) users who don't have a VMS system handy, and would like to configure their systems according to DEC standard. Would you add it to the PUPS archives and send out an announcement to the mailing list, please? Thanks! -tih ----- End of forwarded message from Tom I Helbekkmo ----- I assume this runs on any box with a C compiler. I've stashed it in the archive in the Progams section. If you don't have a Unix license, let me know & I'll email it to you. Warren From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Thu Jun 26 09:54:27 1997 From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:54:27 +1000 (EST) Subject: No progress on PDP-11 Unix source licenses, ideas? Message-ID: <199706252354.JAA04546@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Dear PDP-11 Unix people, I'm emailing you because I haven't done much in the last few months about encouraging SCO to sell source licenses for PDP-11 UNIX, and I think it's time we try a new tack. The person I've been negotiating with a SCO is Dion Johnson, dionj at sco.com. I pestered him a lot last year and so perhaps I've worn out my welcome with him. So I'd like to suggest another approach or two. Perhaps another person interested in PDP-11 UNIX source licenses can try talking with Dion or other people at SCO? Any volunteers? Steven Schultz? Bob Supnik? Alternatively, if nobody comes forward, we could all email Dion expressing our desires for sources licenses for these old UNIX versions. Looking at the survey I've been conducting at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/, at least 130 people are interested in source licenses, and the general consensus is: No resale of license is acceptable No source redistribution is acceptable 50/50 split on single-user-only licenses No commercial usage is acceptable Full source code is preferable Main UNIXes to be covered are 5th,6th,7th Edition and 2BSD. Cost of license no more than US$200, max. After reviewing the email from Dion, I'd add another condition which would make SCO happy: Source license adequately protects SCO's intellectual property, in their view. Anyway, please email your suggestions on what we should do to the PUPS mailing list (oldunix at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) or to me. I think the single person approach is better than flooding Dion with email. Maybe we can sign an email petition and deliver that to a number of people at SCO? Thanks in advance for your input! Warren wkt at cs.adfa.oz.au From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Fri Jun 27 11:24:14 1997 From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:24:14 +1000 (EST) Subject: Petition to SCO for licenses Message-ID: <199706270124.LAA06719@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Dear PDP-11 UNIX people, The small response to my suggestions about lobbying SCO for source licenses brought some volunteers for the cause, and a preference for a single petition to SCO rather than mail-bombing :-) If you didn't respond, please let me know what you think & if you're willing to help out. I've written a draft petition, which is attached below, and is also available (with some hyperlinks) at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/petition.html Is there anything in the draft you disagree with, or wish to change? Please let me know!! Warren The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Dear Sirs/Madams, We, the undersigned, are a group of people who are interested in obtaining source code and binary copies of the versions of UNIX that ran on the PDP-11 range of computers from Digital Equipment Corporation. We would like to have copies of these versions of UNIX because: + they are of great historical importance, and/or + we personally own PDP-11 computers on which these systems will run. The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. owns the copyright to these very old versions of UNIX. We understand and appreciate that SCO wishes to protect their intellectual property within, and ownership of, these versions of UNIX. Therefore, we wish to petition SCO to make available source code and binary licenses of these versions of UNIX so that: + we can legally own source code and binaries for PDP-11 UNIXes, and + SCO's copyright and intellectual property is protected. We would be happy to purchase and be legally bound by a source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes that meets SCO's requirements, as long as: + the license covers the entire distributions (source code, binaries and documentation) of the following versions of UNIX: - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Edition UNIX - 32V UNIX - PWB/UNIX - those portions of all 2BSD releases which are derived from UNIX source code + we have the right to make changes to the source code of the above versions of UNIX + we have the right to distribute our changes to other people who have signed and agreed to the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes + we have the right to install UNIX binaries on PDP-11 hardware and PDP-11 emulating software + we have the right to allow other people to use the UNIX binaries on such an installation Note that the latter is already permitted, given SCO's binary license agreement for 5th, 6th and 7th Edition UNIX. We would also be happy with the following conditions imposed in the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes: + no resale of the license is permitted + source code covered by the license cannot be distributed or disclosed to people not covered by the license + no commercial usage of the source code or binaries is permitted + SCO is not required to include copies of any source code, binaries or documentation with the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes On a recent survey of people interested in such a license (see http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/), over 120 people responded. Most of the respondents would agree to a license with the conditions and limitations outlined above, if the cost of such a license was less than US$200. We urge you to consider + the historical significance of the UNIX operating system, + that the PDP-11 versions of UNIX are essentially obsolete, + that superior UNIX-like operating systems, libraries and applications are freely available in source code form, + that the source code to 6th Edition UNIX is publically available in printed form (Lion's Commentary on 6th Edition UNIX, Peer to Peer Communications, Inc.) and make personal-use non-disclosure source code and binaries licenses for PDP-11 UNIXes available at a price which we can afford as individuals. The UNIX community has played an extremely important role in the development and success of the UNIX operating system. The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc., as owners of the UNIX operating system source, would be repaying the UNIX community in some measure by providing source licenses for these old versions of UNIX. Although you would not profit greatly from the licenses, you would earn the respect and appreciation from many people who helped make UNIX what it is today. Thank you for your time. Your response to our petition will be appreciated, and can be sent via Internet e-mail to Warren Toomey wkt at cs.adfa.oz.au. Sincerely yours, The undersigned From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Wed Jun 4 11:33:19 1997 From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:33:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: CSR/vector calculator for the archives (fwd) Message-ID: <199706040133.LAA00384@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> ----- Forwarded message from Tom I Helbekkmo ----- To: wkt at csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) From: Tom I Helbekkmo Subject: CSR/vector calculator for the archives Hi, Warren! I've written a CSR and vector calculator, based on VMS documentation and comparison tested against VMS SYSGEN. For want of a better name, I'm simply calling the program 'sysgen' -- this shows its heritage, at least... :-) This should be useful to PDP (and VAX) users who don't have a VMS system handy, and would like to configure their systems according to DEC standard. Would you add it to the PUPS archives and send out an announcement to the mailing list, please? Thanks! -tih ----- End of forwarded message from Tom I Helbekkmo ----- I assume this runs on any box with a C compiler. I've stashed it in the archive in the Progams section. If you don't have a Unix license, let me know & I'll email it to you. Warren From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Thu Jun 26 09:54:27 1997 From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:54:27 +1000 (EST) Subject: No progress on PDP-11 Unix source licenses, ideas? Message-ID: <199706252354.JAA04546@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Dear PDP-11 Unix people, I'm emailing you because I haven't done much in the last few months about encouraging SCO to sell source licenses for PDP-11 UNIX, and I think it's time we try a new tack. The person I've been negotiating with a SCO is Dion Johnson, dionj at sco.com. I pestered him a lot last year and so perhaps I've worn out my welcome with him. So I'd like to suggest another approach or two. Perhaps another person interested in PDP-11 UNIX source licenses can try talking with Dion or other people at SCO? Any volunteers? Steven Schultz? Bob Supnik? Alternatively, if nobody comes forward, we could all email Dion expressing our desires for sources licenses for these old UNIX versions. Looking at the survey I've been conducting at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/, at least 130 people are interested in source licenses, and the general consensus is: No resale of license is acceptable No source redistribution is acceptable 50/50 split on single-user-only licenses No commercial usage is acceptable Full source code is preferable Main UNIXes to be covered are 5th,6th,7th Edition and 2BSD. Cost of license no more than US$200, max. After reviewing the email from Dion, I'd add another condition which would make SCO happy: Source license adequately protects SCO's intellectual property, in their view. Anyway, please email your suggestions on what we should do to the PUPS mailing list (oldunix at minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au) or to me. I think the single person approach is better than flooding Dion with email. Maybe we can sign an email petition and deliver that to a number of people at SCO? Thanks in advance for your input! Warren wkt at cs.adfa.oz.au From wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au Fri Jun 27 11:24:14 1997 From: wkt at henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:24:14 +1000 (EST) Subject: Petition to SCO for licenses Message-ID: <199706270124.LAA06719@henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Dear PDP-11 UNIX people, The small response to my suggestions about lobbying SCO for source licenses brought some volunteers for the cause, and a preference for a single petition to SCO rather than mail-bombing :-) If you didn't respond, please let me know what you think & if you're willing to help out. I've written a draft petition, which is attached below, and is also available (with some hyperlinks) at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/petition.html Is there anything in the draft you disagree with, or wish to change? Please let me know!! Warren The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Dear Sirs/Madams, We, the undersigned, are a group of people who are interested in obtaining source code and binary copies of the versions of UNIX that ran on the PDP-11 range of computers from Digital Equipment Corporation. We would like to have copies of these versions of UNIX because: + they are of great historical importance, and/or + we personally own PDP-11 computers on which these systems will run. The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. owns the copyright to these very old versions of UNIX. We understand and appreciate that SCO wishes to protect their intellectual property within, and ownership of, these versions of UNIX. Therefore, we wish to petition SCO to make available source code and binary licenses of these versions of UNIX so that: + we can legally own source code and binaries for PDP-11 UNIXes, and + SCO's copyright and intellectual property is protected. We would be happy to purchase and be legally bound by a source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes that meets SCO's requirements, as long as: + the license covers the entire distributions (source code, binaries and documentation) of the following versions of UNIX: - 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Edition UNIX - 32V UNIX - PWB/UNIX - those portions of all 2BSD releases which are derived from UNIX source code + we have the right to make changes to the source code of the above versions of UNIX + we have the right to distribute our changes to other people who have signed and agreed to the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes + we have the right to install UNIX binaries on PDP-11 hardware and PDP-11 emulating software + we have the right to allow other people to use the UNIX binaries on such an installation Note that the latter is already permitted, given SCO's binary license agreement for 5th, 6th and 7th Edition UNIX. We would also be happy with the following conditions imposed in the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes: + no resale of the license is permitted + source code covered by the license cannot be distributed or disclosed to people not covered by the license + no commercial usage of the source code or binaries is permitted + SCO is not required to include copies of any source code, binaries or documentation with the source code and binary license for PDP-11 UNIXes On a recent survey of people interested in such a license (see http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/), over 120 people responded. Most of the respondents would agree to a license with the conditions and limitations outlined above, if the cost of such a license was less than US$200. We urge you to consider + the historical significance of the UNIX operating system, + that the PDP-11 versions of UNIX are essentially obsolete, + that superior UNIX-like operating systems, libraries and applications are freely available in source code form, + that the source code to 6th Edition UNIX is publically available in printed form (Lion's Commentary on 6th Edition UNIX, Peer to Peer Communications, Inc.) and make personal-use non-disclosure source code and binaries licenses for PDP-11 UNIXes available at a price which we can afford as individuals. The UNIX community has played an extremely important role in the development and success of the UNIX operating system. The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc., as owners of the UNIX operating system source, would be repaying the UNIX community in some measure by providing source licenses for these old versions of UNIX. Although you would not profit greatly from the licenses, you would earn the respect and appreciation from many people who helped make UNIX what it is today. Thank you for your time. Your response to our petition will be appreciated, and can be sent via Internet e-mail to Warren Toomey wkt at cs.adfa.oz.au. Sincerely yours, The undersigned