From chd_1 at nktelco.net Mon Apr 1 13:09:25 2002 From: chd_1 at nktelco.net (Chuck Dickman) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:09:25 -0500 Subject: [pups] 2.11BSD and KFQSA Message-ID: <3CA7CF65.C71C1D41@nktelco.net> HI! After a week or so of trying, I finally got 2.11BSD to recognize a KFQSA in a PDP-11/73. The problem seems to be that 2.11BSD sets an MSCP packet length of 64 bytes, but the KFQSA must have this field set to 60 bytes. There is some confusion about if the header is part of the packet or not. For the KFQSA, it is not included in the length. After that, life is good........ Unfortunately I trashed my 2.11BSD installation in the process. :-( I did a backup I think..... Anyway, KFQSA modules are not that expensive and RF drives are pretty cheap, so it is another solution to the lack of disk drives for QBus PDPs. As long as you have a VAX for configuration. A 390MB RF71 is a useful size for 2.11BSD. After I get things put back together, I will send off a patch to sms for the next release.... :-) -chuck From jcampbell at ins-msi.com Mon Apr 1 22:43:07 2002 From: jcampbell at ins-msi.com (Jeff Campbell) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 07:43:07 -0500 Subject: [pups] 2.11BSD and KFQSA References: <3CA7CF65.C71C1D41@nktelco.net> Message-ID: <3CA855DB.C0C778C6@ins-msi.com> Chuck Dickman wrote: > > HI! > After a week or so of trying, I finally got 2.11BSD to recognize a KFQSA > in a PDP-11/73. The problem seems to be that 2.11BSD sets an MSCP packet > length of 64 bytes, but the KFQSA must have this field set to 60 bytes. The correct command packet length is 48 decimal or 060 octal bytes. End message packets also are this size unless error logging has been turned on during controller initialization. Then response packets should be 384 bytes long. > There is some confusion about if the header is part of the packet or > not. For the KFQSA, it is not included in the length. After that, life > is good........ > > Unfortunately I trashed my 2.11BSD installation in the process. :-( I > did a backup I think..... > > Anyway, KFQSA modules are not that expensive and RF drives are pretty > cheap, so it is another solution to the lack of disk drives for QBus > PDPs. As long as you have a VAX for configuration. A 390MB RF71 is a > useful size for 2.11BSD. > > After I get things put back together, I will send off a patch to sms for > the next release.... :-) > > -chuck > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups Jeff Campbell n8wxs at arrl.net From frank at wortner.com Wed Apr 3 05:40:16 2002 From: frank at wortner.com (Frank Wortner) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:40:16 -0500 Subject: [pups] PDP/11 Emulator for MacOS 9? Message-ID: Since I'm no longer employed, I don't have access to any Unix or Windows boxes to run a PDP/11 emulator. I do have my home computer: a G4 Mac running MacOS 9.1. Are there any precompiled PDP/11 emulator binaries out there? I've found a nice PDP/8 emulator, but so far the PDP/11 has eluded me. I'd like to be able to boot up PDP/11 Unix when the nostalgia urge hits me. Oh, BTW, if you know of any jobs in the New York City (NY, NY USA) area for a 20-year veteran system administrator, I'd love to hear from you! -- Frank "They haven't got Brains, any of them, only grey fluff that's blown into their heads by mistake, and they don't Think." * Eeyore, "The House at Pooh Corner" From asmodai at unixware.org.uk Wed Apr 3 08:38:36 2002 From: asmodai at unixware.org.uk (asmodai at unixware.org.uk) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:38:36 +0000 Subject: [pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History Message-ID: I wrote to SCO/Caldera a while back about this one... Here's a quote from the mail I got in reply: "XENIX will never be released under any license, as it is too full of Microsoft copyrights, and "sanitizing" the source to remove such code would render the product useless, and would be a MASSIVE undertaking." Looks like we wont get Xenix in source format unless Microsoft want us to have it. Regards, Paul. "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair" - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy Robert Tillyard Sent by: pups-admin at minnie.tuhs.org 03/25/2002 10:38 To: pups at minnie.tuhs.org cc: Subject: Re: [pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History Frank Wortner wrote: > > on 3/23/02 11:26 PM, Warren Toomey at wkt at minnie.tuhs.org wrote: > > > In article by Martin Crehan: > >> From a thread on Slashdot about Microsoft's Ancient History w/Unix > >> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/23/1422243.shtml?tid=130 > >> > >> First Unix/Xenix (Score:1) > >> by presearch on Saturday March 23, @01:58PM (#3213453) > >> (User #214913 Info) > > > > I've left a comment in the thread asking if they would > > donate a copy of the tape's contents to our Archive. > > I also remember running PDP/11 Xenix. The article is basically correct, > although Microsoft (or HCR) did add a working paging system that enabled > simulation of split I&D on small PDP/11s like the 11/23, 11/34, and 11/40. > I also remember that my copy of the installation document had been printed > by Microsoft's PDP/10 (referred to as the "Microsoft Heating Plant" :-) in > the printout). I wish I still had the tape and that printout. Sigh ... > > -- > Frank Would SCO->Caldera have copies of this? SCO did the Intel port of Xenix so they would probably have started with the PDP source. Would tapes be copyright to Microsoft? I doubt that they would release the source for the Intel version as it is still in use today although I don't think that SCO/Caldera will sell it anymore. Rob. _______________________________________________ PUPS mailing list PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's a quote from the mail I got in reply: "XENIX will never be released under any license, as it is too full of Microsoft copyrights...? Well, there?s always the possibility that Microsoft could see fit to make a ?hobby? PDP/11 XENIX license available. Why not? -- Frank "Don't Blame Me." * Eeyore, "Winnie the Pooh" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl Wed Apr 3 19:14:32 2002 From: Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:14:32 +0200 Subject: [pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History Message-ID: <6F63E31101C6D41196490008C7B2BFC304B5BC@mwnt4.microwalt.nl> Paul, > Bleh, sorry for the blank post... notes went schitzo.... *smile* > If MS can release WinCE source, then they would probably do > the same for XENIX.... both PDP/11 and the x86 version perhaps... > Its not like we want the source... just a tape image would do me :) > Perhaps there is someone in MS who knows of XENIX's existance and > can help.... I'll have a word with a friend of mine who works > there :) Yeah, I agree. I personally think MS would release Xenix, as it no longer has any commercial value whatsoever to them. The hardest part might be finding people within who know about it, and who can point us in the right (legalese) direction. Once MS signs off on it, the people at SC(O)aldera won't have a problem with releasing the tapes. Cheers, Fred InterNetworking en Network Security Consultant MicroWalt Corporation (Netherlands), Korte Heul 95, 1403 ND BUSSUM Phone +31 (35) 6980059 FAX +31 (35) 6980215 http://WWW.MicroWalt.NL/ Dit bericht en eventuele bijlagen is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Openbaarmaking, vermenigvuldiging, verspreiding aan derden is niet toegestaan. Er wordt geen verantwoordelijkheid genomen voor de juiste en volledige overbrenging van de inhoud van dit bericht, noch voor de tijdige ontvangst ervan. From Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl Wed Apr 3 19:19:40 2002 From: Fred.van.Kempen at microwalt.nl (Fred N. van Kempen) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:19:40 +0200 Subject: [pups] SUCCESS: Ultrix-32/VAX V4.5 on TK50 tape Message-ID: <6F63E31101C6D41196490008C7B2BFC304B5BD@mwnt4.microwalt.nl> Hi all, This is a general announcement :) I have been working on getting to know the format used by the Ultrix-32 "setld" tapes for system (boot) tapes, and I am happy to announce that I can now create bootable TK50 tapes from any valid Ultrix-32 CD-ROM dist kit. Once I get my stuff here sorted out (I am in the midst of redoing all my computer stuff...) I will post the HOWTO (in PDF format, no less !) and associated files on my web server. I was able to successfully install Ultrix-32/VAX V4.5 on a MicroVAX 3300 with TK50 tape and no errors. Next project is to get the V4.4 or V4.5 source to add CPU support for the 4000 series, and, eventually, add DSSI support for the SHAC chipset. Anyone have pointers to source kits newer than V4.2 ? Cheers, Fred -- InterNetworking, Network Security and Communications Consultants MicroWalt Corporation (Netherlands), Postbus 8, 1400 AA BUSSUM Phone +31 (35) 6980059 FAX +31 (35) 6980215 http://WWW.MicroWalt.NL/ Dit bericht en eventuele bijlagen is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Openbaarmaking, vermenigvuldiging, verspreiding aan derden is niet toegestaan. Er wordt geen verantwoordelijkheid genomen voor de juiste en volledige overbrenging van de inhoud van dit bericht, noch voor de tijdige ontvangst ervan. From quapla at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 3 19:45:05 2002 From: quapla at xs4all.nl (quapla at xs4all.nl) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:45:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History In-Reply-To: <6F63E31101C6D41196490008C7B2BFC304B5BC@mwnt4.microwalt.nl> References: <6F63E31101C6D41196490008C7B2BFC304B5BC@mwnt4.microwalt.nl> Message-ID: <17237.192.18.243.4.1017827105.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Ummmm, they can't. Windows XP most likely uses pieces of Xenix to get it stable. And you know that they will not release sources of the windoze O.S-es :=) Ed > Paul, > >> Bleh, sorry for the blank post... notes went schitzo.... > *smile* > >> If MS can release WinCE source, then they would probably do >> the same for XENIX.... both PDP/11 and the x86 version perhaps... Its >> not like we want the source... just a tape image would do me :) >> Perhaps there is someone in MS who knows of XENIX's existance and can >> help.... I'll have a word with a friend of mine who works >> there :) > Yeah, I agree. I personally think MS would release Xenix, as it no > longer has any commercial value whatsoever to them. The hardest part > might be finding people within who know about it, and who can point us > in the right (legalese) direction. Once MS signs off on it, the people > at SC(O)aldera won't have a problem with releasing the tapes. > > Cheers, > Fred > > > InterNetworking en Network Security Consultant > MicroWalt Corporation (Netherlands), Korte Heul 95, 1403 ND BUSSUM > Phone +31 (35) 6980059 FAX +31 (35) 6980215 http://WWW.MicroWalt.NL/ > > Dit bericht en eventuele bijlagen is uitsluitend bestemd voor de > geadresseerde. Openbaarmaking, vermenigvuldiging, verspreiding aan > derden is niet toegestaan. Er wordt geen verantwoordelijkheid > genomen voor de juiste en volledige overbrenging van de inhoud > van dit bericht, noch voor de tijdige ontvangst ervan. > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups From jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de Wed Apr 3 23:42:41 2002 From: jkunz at unixag-kl.fh-kl.de (Jochen Kunz) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:42:41 +0200 Subject: [pups] SUCCESS: Ultrix-32/VAX V4.5 on TK50 tape In-Reply-To: <6F63E31101C6D41196490008C7B2BFC304B5BD@mwnt4.microwalt.nl>; from Fred.van.Kempen@microwalt.nl on Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 11:19:40AM +0200 References: <6F63E31101C6D41196490008C7B2BFC304B5BD@mwnt4.microwalt.nl> Message-ID: <20020403154241.A23484@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 11:19:40AM +0200, Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > Next project is to get the V4.4 or V4.5 source to add CPU support for the > 4000 series, If I can find a scanner with ADF I can throw in a KA680 TM... > and, eventually, add DSSI support for the SHAC chipset. From MichaelDavidson at pacbell.net Thu Apr 4 02:25:11 2002 From: MichaelDavidson at pacbell.net (Michael Davidson) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:25:11 -0800 Subject: [pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History References: <6F63E31101C6D41196490008C7B2BFC304B5BC@mwnt4.microwalt.nl> Message-ID: <3CAB2CE7.7040403@pacbell.net> Fred N. van Kempen wrote: >Paul, > >>If MS can release WinCE source, then they would probably do >>the same for XENIX.... both PDP/11 and the x86 version perhaps... >>Its not like we want the source... just a tape image would do me :) >>Perhaps there is someone in MS who knows of XENIX's existance and >>can help.... I'll have a word with a friend of mine who works >>there :) >> >Yeah, I agree. I personally think MS would release Xenix, as it no >longer has any commercial value whatsoever to them. The hardest part >might be finding people within who know about it, and who can point >us in the right (legalese) direction. Once MS signs off on it, the >people at SC(O)aldera won't have a problem with releasing the tapes. > Microsoft probably wouldn't have any problem releasing the PDP-11 version of XENIX - it is, after all, really just a minor V7 variant with very little Microsoft code in it. The two problems you will have are: - finding anyone at Microsoft who knows what PDP-11 XENIX is, and understands that it has no commercial value. - finding either a binary or source distribution of it XENIX for the x86 family hasn't quite reached the status of "no commercial value" yet. Caldera still ships XENIX compatibility with the OpenServer operating system, customers still use it, and we still pay Microsoft royalties on every copy of OpenServer that we ship for that very reason. From lars at fwn.rug.nl Thu Apr 4 08:12:23 2002 From: lars at fwn.rug.nl (Lars Buitinck) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 00:12:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [pups] UNIX/RT In-Reply-To: <17237.192.18.243.4.1017827105.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <6F63E31101C6D41196490008C7B2BFC304B5BC@mwnt4.microwalt.nl> <17237.192.18.243.4.1017827105.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <1017871943.3cab7e470d367@w3.fwn.rug.nl> I think I've found the influence of UNIX/RT on the world at large, and the Open Sores^V^V^V^Vource community in particular. from OpenBSD 3.0 /etc/magic: 0 leshort 0401 PDP-11 UNIX/RT ldp (can anyone tell me what ldp means?) ps. Thus spake quapla at xs4all.nl: > Ummmm, they can't. Windows XP most likely uses pieces of Xenix to get > it stable. And you know that they will not release sources of the > windoze O.S-es :=) stable? are we talking about the same OS? -- If I travelled to the end of the rainbow As Dame Fortune did intend Murphy would be there to tell me The pot is at the other end Lars From talmage at madison.onespeeddave.com Fri Apr 12 04:56:04 2002 From: talmage at madison.onespeeddave.com (David W. Talmage) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 14:56:04 -0400 Subject: [pups] P11 emulator on the net Message-ID: <200204111856.g3BIu4v22826@madison.onespeeddave.com> If you want to play with Harti's p11 running 2.11BSD, you can telnet to madison.onespeeddave.com on any of ports 10001 through 10006. I'll give you an account if you want one. Just tell me what userid and initial password you want. Also tell me what you'll do with your account. This flavor of the emulator is running without a tape drive and a network interface card. FWIF, madison is a 96MB P2-333 running NetBSD. From asbesto at freaknet.org Wed Apr 17 19:08:04 2002 From: asbesto at freaknet.org (Asbesto Molesto) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [pups] PDP/11 Emulator for MacOS 9? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Frank Wortner wrote: > Since I'm no longer employed, I don't have access to any Unix or Windows > boxes to run a PDP/11 emulator. I do have my home computer: a G4 Mac > running MacOS 9.1. Are there any precompiled PDP/11 emulator binaries out > there? I've found a nice PDP/8 emulator, but so far the PDP/11 has eluded if you have an internet connection, you can telnet medialab.dyndns.org and try our pdp11 emulator ... i don't know if it's working now. we installed it about 1-2 years ago :) p.s. anybody can telnet us and play with our system - hacking is welcome ! :) asbesto/freaknet medialab From helbig at Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE Fri Apr 19 03:42:24 2002 From: helbig at Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE (Wolfgang Helbig) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:42:24 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [pups] DZ11 and UNIX V6 Message-ID: <200204181753.g3IHr4201344@bsd.korb> Hi I tried the latest simulator from Bob Supnik, Simh V2.9-6. It simulates DZ11 multiline controllers. Are they supported in UNIX V6. If not, which of the supported ones are closest to DZ11, so I would write a driver for them. TIA Wolfgang From johnh at psych.usyd.edu.au Fri Apr 19 12:46:52 2002 From: johnh at psych.usyd.edu.au (John Holden) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:46:52 +1000 (EST) Subject: [pups] DZ11 and UNIX V6 Message-ID: <200204190246.MAA01324@psychwarp.psych.usyd.edu.au> > I guess the closest would be the DH-11 The DZ and DH are totally different beasts. The DZ had a 256 word input silo and interrupt per output character, while the DH was DMA. There is certainly support for DZ's in V7. It shouldn't be too hard to back port it to V6 From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org Fri Apr 19 16:08:27 2002 From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:08:27 +1000 (EST) Subject: [pups] DZ11 and UNIX V6 In-Reply-To: from Dave Horsfall at "Apr 19, 2002 11:12:46 am" Message-ID: <200204190608.g3J68St26120@minnie.tuhs.org> In article by Dave Horsfall > On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Wolfgang Helbig wrote > > > I tried the latest simulator from Bob Supnik, Simh V2.9-6. > > It simulates DZ11 multiline controllers. Are they supported in UNIX V6. > > Not natively, no. Back at Uni of NSW, we did several drivers, getting > better each time, but I think the sources are lost to antiquity (unless > someone happens to have those old tapes). Would AUSAM have any DZ11 drivers? There are several AUSAM tapes in the Unix Archive, and AUSAM was a deriative of V6. How about PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/1/record0.gz dz.c 12999 1978 01 24 PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/4/record0.gz dz.c 13416 1979 08 01 PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/6/record0.gz dz.c 6532 1979 10 30 PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/81/record0.gz dz.c 4761 1979 12 20 PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/83/record0.gz dz.c 4761 1979 08 22 PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/92/92.gz dz.c 7457 1981 09 16 Cheers all, Warren From cyrille.lefevre at laposte.net Mon Apr 29 09:36:27 2002 From: cyrille.lefevre at laposte.net (Cyrille Lefevre) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:36:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [TUHS] rsync down? Message-ID: <200204282336.g3SNaSXA032419@gits.gits.dyndns.org> Hi, rsync doesn't seem to work anymore for some time, now, any idea ? $ rsync -avz --password-file=.passwd au2496 at minnie.tuhs.org::UA_Root . rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far) rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(151) same results w/ rsync -avz minnie.tuhs.org::UA_Root . Cyrille. -- Cyrille Lefevre mailto:cyrille.lefevre at laposte.net From wkt at minnie.tuhs.org Mon Apr 29 12:31:10 2002 From: wkt at minnie.tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:31:10 +1000 (EST) Subject: [TUHS] rsync down? In-Reply-To: <200204282336.g3SNaSXA032419@gits.gits.dyndns.org> from Cyrille Lefevre at "Apr 29, 2002 01:36:27 am" Message-ID: <200204290231.g3T2VBc52296@minnie.tuhs.org> In article by Cyrille Lefevre: > Hi, > > rsync doesn't seem to work anymore for some time, now, any idea ? > > $ rsync -avz --password-file=.passwd au2496 at minnie.tuhs.org::UA_Root . > > rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far) > rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(151) > > same results w/ rsync -avz minnie.tuhs.org::UA_Root . > > Cyrille. Rsync got cut off when I was slashdotted a while ago. I should be able to open it up again. When I'm back at work tomorrow I will rectify things and e-mail the list. Cheers, Warren