From lorddoomicus at mac.com Tue Dec 1 12:23:03 2009 From: lorddoomicus at mac.com (Derrik Walker v2.0) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:23:03 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] secret society of UNIX gurus Message-ID: There is a new Yahoo group for UNIX gurus. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/unix_guru/ It even has a test that has to be passed to be a member to make sure your a real UNIX geek. _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From lm at bitmover.com Tue Dec 1 13:57:35 2009 From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:57:35 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] secret society of UNIX gurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091201035735.GF29789@bitmover.com> Let me know when Guy Harris is there. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 09:23:03PM -0500, Derrik Walker v2.0 wrote: > There is a new Yahoo group for UNIX gurus. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/unix_guru/ > > It even has a test that has to be passed to be a member to make sure your a real UNIX geek. > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From cowan at ccil.org Tue Dec 1 14:49:07 2009 From: cowan at ccil.org (John Cowan) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:49:07 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] secret society of UNIX gurus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091201044907.GB24424@mercury.ccil.org> Derrik Walker v2.0 scripsit: > It even has a test that has to be passed to be a member to make sure > your a real UNIX geek. Okay, I sent in my test. If you want your spelling fixed, just ask. No charge. -- John Cowan cowan at ccil.org "Not to know The Smiths is not to know K.X.U." --K.X.U. _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From newsham at lava.net Wed Dec 2 06:49:56 2009 From: newsham at lava.net (Tim Newsham) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:49:56 -1000 (HST) Subject: [TUHS] late research unix question Message-ID: Does anyone know if emulators are capable of running 8th ed unix or later? What about emulation of the bitblit? Do the few lucky people who have a copy of these run them in emulation? Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From brantley at coraid.com Wed Dec 2 08:06:22 2009 From: brantley at coraid.com (Brantley Coile) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:06:22 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] late research unix question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82E20C9A-E6CB-4EAD-B447-08988BAEB89C@coraid.com> Bitblt ran on the terminals, (blit, jerq, 630/730) not the kernel. On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:49 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: > Does anyone know if emulators are capable of running 8th ed > unix or later? What about emulation of the bitblit? > Do the few lucky people who have a copy of these run them > in emulation? > > Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From newsham at lava.net Wed Dec 2 09:43:34 2009 From: newsham at lava.net (Tim Newsham) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:43:34 -1000 (HST) Subject: [TUHS] late research unix question In-Reply-To: <82E20C9A-E6CB-4EAD-B447-08988BAEB89C@coraid.com> References: <82E20C9A-E6CB-4EAD-B447-08988BAEB89C@coraid.com> Message-ID: > Bitblt ran on the terminals, (blit, jerq, 630/730) not the kernel. right, which is why I bring it up specifically. It obviously wouldnt run on the simh vax simulator. a 68k emulator of some sort would be needed. Though it may be moot. I'm told that the 8th ed unix distribution was often in two tapes and that the contents of the second tape, which include the blit stuff, may be lost to history. Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From norman at oclsc.org Wed Dec 2 10:30:51 2009 From: norman at oclsc.org (Norman Wilson) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:30:51 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] late research unix question Message-ID: <1259713867.11400.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> Tim Newsham: Does anyone know if emulators are capable of running 8th ed unix or later? What about emulation of the bitblit? ======== Who knows what blitjerq lurks in the hearts of men? Seriously, an emulator with appropriate CPU settings should be able to run latter-day Research UNIX without much trouble. 8/e would need a VAX-11/780 or 750; 10/e would work on a VAX 8550 or 8700 (only one CPU, though) or a MicroVAX II or III. I forget just when the MicroVAX work was first done (by Ted Kowalski, who in an earlier day wrote fsck), so I'm not sure at what point in the 9/e era it appeared; but since 8/e was the last really organized tape we made, it doesn't really matter. As others have pointed out, the blit/jerq code didn't run on the VAX, but in a separate terminal. For that you'd need an emulator for the MC68000 or the WE32100. By the time the 8/e tape was cut, the 68K-based Blits had pretty much been retired; I'm not sure that code would be as interesting to resurrect as that for the WE32100-based Teletype 5620 DMD. Of course you'd also have to emulate all the I/O devices, including the decidedly-non-PS/2 keyboard and mouse. I don't remember for sure any more (maybe Dennis does), but the jerq code may have been on a separate tape because the special C compiler for that CPU chip wasn't easily redistributed--it came from the commercial side of AT&T, not the research part. Norman Wilson Toronto ON _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From aek at bitsavers.org Wed Dec 2 10:43:43 2009 From: aek at bitsavers.org (Al Kossow) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:43:43 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] late research unix question In-Reply-To: <1259713867.11400.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> References: <1259713867.11400.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> Message-ID: <4B15B83F.3030506@bitsavers.org> Norman Wilson wrote: > Tim Newsham: > > Does anyone know if emulators are capable of running 8th ed > unix or later? What about emulation of the bitblit? > > ======== > > Who knows what blitjerq lurks in the hearts of men? > brouhaha knows! http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/retrocomputing/att/5620/ _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From imp at bsdimp.com Wed Dec 2 10:48:57 2009 From: imp at bsdimp.com (M. Warner Losh) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:48:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [TUHS] late research unix question In-Reply-To: <1259713867.11400.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> References: <1259713867.11400.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> Message-ID: <20091201.174857.1573374699.imp@bsdimp.com> Would the bitblit protocol be easier to emulate that then whole machine? _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From brantley at coraid.com Wed Dec 2 11:11:46 2009 From: brantley at coraid.com (Brantley Coile) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:11:46 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] late research unix question In-Reply-To: <20091201.174857.1573374699.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <1259713867.11400.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> <20091201.174857.1573374699.imp@bsdimp.com> Message-ID: The protocol isn't the problem. All the binaries that get pushed over it is the problem. The Jerq down loaded programs to run on the terminal. That's why sam is in two parts. Brantley On Dec 1, 2009, at 7:48 PM, M. Warner Losh wrote: > Would the bitblit protocol be easier to emulate that then whole > machine? > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From wkt at tuhs.org Wed Dec 16 10:02:52 2009 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:02:52 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] E_GREG ?? Message-ID: <20091216000252.GA27531@minnie.tuhs.org> I just saw this on Groklaw: There were not many machines which ran Version 10. They were all at Murray Hill and some of them were donated to Auburn University when AT&T closed up shop. We got some old MicroVAX machines and a couple of printed manuals. One of the printed manuals lists various error codes. One of them is E_GREG Greg did it. Poor Greg. who was he, really? Anybody know the answer? Norman? P.S Merry Xmas to all. Cheers, Warren _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs