like CAD. He was referred to something at osu. He might also try to obtain a copy of MiniCAD from: Munther Hindi, MiniGraphics Software, 571 Crestwood Drive, Cookeville, TN 38501. HmPh:415-524-4268. WkPh:615-526-5867. Frank Higgins, 206-774-0956. fgh at polari