well , i tried.... gdiff doesnt work on my iris (3.3.1) I get: iris%gdiff gdiff: Bad file number. iris% i ftp'ed gdiff from sgi.com....to a third machine (binary set) and then kermitted (binary again..) from that third machine to mine... i've done this before with other code and it always worked... is there anything else i need to do? michael zeitlin convex!texhrc!mjz