Norton Go Home! We don't want you!
Tim Tsai
it1 at ra.MsState.Edu
Fri Feb 15 10:39:58 AEST 1991
In article <433 at bria>:
>In an article, ms.uky.edu!kherron (Kenneth Herron) writes:
>In my "not-quite-so-humble" opinion, armchair sysadmins deserve DOS.
>You are talking about two things here: system administration and end-use.
>In the DOS world, "end-user" and "administrator" are one in the same.
>Not so in the UNIX world.
It is very often the case in the 386/Unix world.. With prices of
workstations dropping, more end users will have their own Unix box on
their desk.
>The end-user does not and should not need to know about anything other
>than logging in, reading/sending mail, and using the application(s) that
>meet his/her job requirements. This same end-user has no use for NU.
There are lots of computer proficient "end-users" who aren't
sysadmins, and they'll use whatever tools they find necessary.
>Personally, I would never trust an administrator that leaned on menus
>and shrink-wrapped scripts _too_ much. How much is too much? I have
>encountered "sysadmins" who couldn't add a user without some sort of
>script. Not worth a dime, IMHO.
Sysadmins' gotta start somewhere. Were you born with knowledge of
Unix internals? What's wrong with packages that ease the job of system
administrators? By your definition, any sysadmin that relies on a
full-screen editor isn't worth a dime either. A *REAL* sysadmin would
use ed, right?
>>In article <430 at bria>:
>There is a tradeoff here. It seems to me that making things easier for you,
>things get more convoluted for me. No thanks. How about putting a
>a copy of this program in /usr/local/bin and make it first in PATH for
>those end-users ...
How does installing a package make things any more difficult for you?
Don't you already do that on a regular basis if you are a sysadmin?
With an undelete package, I can only see less trouble for a
sysadmin.. For one, he/she wouldn't have to keep answering messages
asking how to undelete a file (or at least have a solution)! Note
that I dislike Norton Utilities, but there are instances where an
undelete command would've come in handy. I don't go around
complaining to my sysadmin about it because I know there isn't an easy
solution... If there IS an easy solution that doesn't create any
hassle for the sysadmin however, I certainly would...
[rm program deleted]
I'm glad you aren't my sysadmin.
--
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Nor would I mind a porcupine inside a chicken coop.
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