In article <321 at luke.UUCP> you write: >> What gets me is there is no way to convince ls to produce _unsorted_ >>output! (never mind why... > How about ls -f. By the way why does -f have to turn off -l and about everything else ? Please followup in net.unix. Rick ...!cybvax0[!dmc0]!fbp "A likely story. I don't believe a word of it."