Ah, but when is "ll" not quite the same as "ls -l"? Try to redirect the output. (Go ahead, I'll wait.) Uh huh. Is this ill behavior noted in the docs (that didn't come with the filesale machines)? -- Mike Schoenborn osu-cis!n8emr!uncle!schoen!mjs mjs at schoen.UUCP cis:70010,147