Seeking a Development Environment (Sun?)

['da Kingfish]

In article <959 at kbsvax.steinmetz.UUCP> barnettb at steinmetz.UUCP (Barnett Bruce G) writes:

>I know it's tiresome, but I am tired of people who tell me Aegis/AUX IS
>REAL Unix. How can it be? 

Ummm, I don't think Apollo has anything called AUX anymore.  They did
at one time, and it wasn't that hot, admittedly.  It certainly seems
that memories of AUX in some users' minds have become a real albatross
around Apollo's neck, and I hope people at least get the idea Apollo's
Unix product has matured and improved greatly since then.  It is at least
worth a fresh evaluation.

>
>For instance, if I wanted to write a program that would tell me what files were
>currently being accessed, and what disk they were on, 
...
>But AUX doesn't support nlist(3) or `/dev/kmem', so this can't be done.

It can't be done using nlist, that's right.  Apollo has a command that
lists locked objects, so I imagine that info is available somewhere.

>The point is, if someone is using a particular technique on a UNIX system,
>than I KNOW it can be done on a Sun or Vax. Also, if someone develops
>some clever technique (like device drivers that can be re-loaded dynamically,
>i.e. without rebuilding the operating system), it will most likely be developed
>on a Sun or Vax. 

Except they did it on an Apollo.

>I LIKE this feeling of confidence. I LIKE being able to use programs like
>William LeFebvre's top(1). I know UNIX and know that I can write some
>very powerful programs if the need comes up.
When you do, send them to me so I can run them on an Apollo. -:)  One
thing that is apparent is that if one requires a /dev/kmem, one won't
be happy without it.  For the things I do, I can live without it.

>Bruce Barnett

I hope those fellers at CMU don't make Mach (or whatever) too different!
Sorry (kind of) for continuing the verbosity here.

--paul